Interview with Austrian Foreign Minister Kurz: 'Europe's Values Cannot Be Negotiable'. (
Spiegel).
SPIEGEL: In recent presidential elections, almost 50 percent of
eligible voters cast their ballots for Norbert Hofer, the candidate of
the right-wing populist Freedom Party of Austria (FPÖ). This came as a
shock for many people in Europe. Do you have an explanation?
Kurz: Yes, and it is not as simple as the one that is sometimes
given. There is, first of all, a serious dissatisfaction with the
government and with the political system, in part because important
reforms are not taking place. The second main reason is the refugee
crisis. In Austria last year, we had 90,000 asylum applicants -- the
second-largest per capita figure in all European countries. There was a
phase of uncontrolled influx into Europe. Many politicians tried to tell
the people that this is not a problem in terms of security or
integration. Both led to a strengthening of right-wing populist parties,
which is not purely an Austrian phenomenon.
SPIEGEL: Are you afraid that Europe is making itself dependent on Turkey?
Kurz: The Turkey deal can only be Plan B. Plan A needs to be a
strong Europe that is prepared to defend its external borders on its
own. If we do not do that, then we are living in a Europe that is
dependent -- on other countries, and possibly even on personalities like
President Erdogan. And dependency is dangerous.
SPIEGEL: Political developments in Turkey are worrisome. The
immunity of lawmakers was recently lifted. Is this a result of the deal
-- because Erdogan now has free rein?
Kurz: Not a result of the deal, but a matter of fact. How we deal
with it is crucial.
Europe's fundamental values cannot be negotiable.
Keyword visa-liberalization: There cannot be any exceptions for Turkey
either.
SPIEGEL: Erdogan is threatening to terminate the agreement, which creates the impression that he is pushing the Europeans around.
Kurz: If we Europeans are not in a state to be able to solve the
refugee crisis ourselves, if we only depend on Plan B with Turkey --
then that is not simply an impression, it is the truth. But Europe
cannot be susceptible to blackmail or be weak.
I am, in any case, not in
favor of having a deal with Turkey at any price.
SPIEGEL: Turkey is refusing to reform its anti-terror law. Do you
think that the liberalization of visa regulations will still take place
this year?
Kurz: That depends. I have gotten the sense in the last year that
developments when it comes to human rights are very alarming. In the
long term, it needs to be in our interest to have a Turkey in which
human rights are respected. Anything else would mean destabilization
right on our border.
If we look away, the developments in Turkey will
constantly get worse. Read the full interview
here.